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might see me fired up like never been. s.e. is out today but you can facebook her. update your status because you're watching "the cycle." senator rand paul's talking or filibustering is over and john brennan will soon be the nation's director of the cia. the senate will vote this hour. this comes with a backdrop of the president's din we are 12 senate republicans and lunch today with the two top budget guys in the house. we'll have more on that a bit later. but back to the paul show and we are not talking about ryan here. the filibuster started at noon on wednesday and ended 13 hours later. shortly before 1:00 a.m. today. the topic -- drones. it came after attorney general eric holder said, yes, he can envision a drone strike against an american citizen on u.s. soil
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without the target in this hypothetical case charged or standing trial. >> i frankly don't think he will be killing people in restaurants tonight or in their house tonight. but this is about the rule of law. it isn't so much about him. it isn't so much about john brennan. it's about having rules so that some day if we do have the misfortune of electing someone you do not trust, electing someone who might kill innocent people, who might kill people that they disagree with politically or they might kill people they disagree with religious or might kill people of another ethnic group. we're protected. >> 13 hours of good old-fashioned filibustering. you thought kornacki rants or as he calls them monologues were long. a dozen senators made guest appearances on the floor and one ron wyden of oregon is a democrat.
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among the highlights, citations of rappers and jay-z. >> nice. >> quotes from the films "the godfather" and a reading from the twitter verse. paul stocked up on milky way bars. senator mark kirk brought him a thermos and an apple. and here's a little history lesson in honor of professor kornacki since i did mock his rants. the last time a talking filibuster consumed the senate is opposed a tax cut plain in 2010 duh strom author mand hold it is record, 24:18 and i guess your rants are off the hook. and nbc's kelly o'donnell -- >> going to attack on me? take a minute and shred me. >> reporter: it's okay, sfootev. i'm known to go on and on myself. >> you're always to the point. it was pretty impressive and spark a debate.
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did you stay the whole time? >> reporter: i watched all of it. i honestly watched all of it and saw senator paul today and looks somewhat rested. one of the things that adds to the theater of this is there are rules when there's a live filibuster. he could not sit down on a senate floor. he was not supposed to have any kind of meal. you pointed out how he nibbled here and there and there was a natural limit to the ability to speak and he had to keep talking -- couldn't take long pauses and can be interpreted as no longer holding the floor. did it matter? because brennan will, in fact, be confirmed. that's the expectation. this is about using the power of the senate to leverage to get some action and you can argue that he got that because the attorney general did respond in a letter to him today to more thoroughly clarify that it would be the u.s. position that the u.s. government does sflot the authority to use a weaponized drone to strike and kill an american inside the u.s.
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that was a big part of the argument and part of the concern is we have seen the way drones are used in other countries where they might strike at a place where there isn't an imminent plot being hatched, necessarily, but the suspect target was there. they talked about how you might have a caravan on a road that would be hit or them in a cafe that's why he was referencing restaurants as a potential so he was able to get attention and as the night wore on literally midnight and the floor was packed with some of the prominent members of the republican senate to be there to show support. members of the public were there, as well. in terms of the senate, it was good old political theater. the consequence is some controversy. it's shined a light on this issue. and rand paul has gotten some credit in the conservative circles. some democrats certainly appreciated the point of what a filibuster is supposed to do and brennan if this vote goes ahead as we expect, really a matter of minutes, he will be the new cia
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director so it was a pause in what was always known to be a pretty certain confirmation of the president's choice for the next cia director. >> all right. nbc's kelly o'donnell hanging out in the senate for 13 hours so you don't have to. thank you so much. all right. i want to bring it back to the table now far spin. kelly referenced the letter eric holder sent to rand paul in response to his questions. that is actually pretty hysterical. he basically rephrases rand paul's question. can an american be killed without cause on american soil? the answer is, no. i'm paraphrasing there. the answer is, no. rand paul said that he was satisfied by that. we also had today on the floor rand paul's colleagues john mccain and lindsey graham, actually going after him, for his tactics in the substance of what he was doing. let's take a listen to that. >> to say that we would hit them in a cafe with a hell fire
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missile, first of all, no drones have hell fire missiles anywhere near. they're in yemen and afghanistan. and other places in the world. so, we've done a, i think, a disservice to a lot of americans by making them to believe that somehow they're in danger from their government. they're not. >> to my republican colleagues, i don't remember any of you coming down here suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. so what is it? all of a sudden that this drone program has gotten every republican so spun up. what are we up to here? >> and i think mccain actually makes a good point there. rand paul by raising the spector of americans sitting in cafes being struck down by u.s. drones, it most people are not concerned about that. it seems crazy. it seems fringe. and in that way, while rand paul did spark this debate and
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obviously if you were on twitter last night you know people were very fired up and you have to have an admiration for anything that unites code pink and glenn beck but, you know, outside of the people who were already with him, i don't think that he did a lot of convincing. and in fact, i think he made what is a very serious conversation seem sort of absurd, a bit crazy and on the fringe. so to that extent i don't think he accomplished his goal. >> it's interesting you say that because the ideological divide in america and listening to the savages in the world, you don't need the intellectual weight. the president belongs in jail and they'll say that's true. the president causes a threat to us from drones sitting in cafes. yes, he did. even though mccain and graham said, no, they don't. you know what? now tonight all americans who are not at war with america can rest easy that they won't be droned on american soil so thank you very much, senator paul, for getting that cleared up.
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and, you know, this sort of theatrical grand standing that's never, ever happened and probably never, ever would happen is going to play really well inside this conservative media bubble and push him up further for 2016. rand paul 2016 is looking pretty good. maybe not getting the nomination but he could perhaps and will be a player in this and talked about primary challenges from the right in terms of senate races, in terms of house races and people worrying about that and protecting themselves against that. he's going to be the magnet in the republican primary making sure they stay far rightward and not inch toward the moderate middle position which actually might make them electable nationally so i welcome this and this power we see out of him. >> well, i have two responses to what i'm hearing. first, easy to ridicule this and never a question about drones and this is never happened before. we have nothing to worry about. i think he raised serious and important questions, needed an
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airing and issues not sufficiently aired in the debate. you say unprecedented. hasn't happened before. the drones program until a few years ago unprecedented and never had before and never had be whether from the bush administration or obama administration anyone that spelled out for the average american citizen what it is and isn't. i think that's fair. >> i don't disagree with that. but the way he did it going to the extreme makes him seem absurd. >> part two of the response is i don't think this shows rand paul to be fringe at all. i think the story out of this is the mainstreaming of rand paul, paulism and paul's views because contrast this to what would happen -- his father made stands like this all the time in the house. he's always the lone. his father would alienate the republican party with the stands against the bush administration and patriot act. look what happened yesterday. rand paul started out alone. marco rubio joined him. tom brass joined him.
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the chairman of the republican national committee sent out a tweet calling on all republican senators to go stand with rand on the floor. that never happened with ron paul and then look at it today. who's standing against him? john mccain and lindsey graham. john mccain not much of a constituency in the republican party and graham worrying about a primary in 2014. rand paul showed that the republican party is coming around to paulism and he's a lot craftier than his father to bringing it around. >> to toure's point, that's problematic for the party because the rhetoric is still the old 2010 tea party makers and takers, i'm randism and damaging to the brand and so far out there. supports a complete ban of abortion and to the extent to embrace that, i don't think that's a positive development to the party. >> that's mane striming it. >> graham is promoting a fear of the american government, especially the obama-led, fear of american government and hear a lot from the savages and these
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people. that's just not -- >> then let -- if the fear is out there, let the administration address it and holder started to do that today. that's a positive letter. >> all right. while they were all talk, the president and other republicans were fine dining. another important white house lunch today. can free food fix the budget mess? a former congressman tells us how deals really get done in washington. "the cycle" rolls on for thursday, march 7th. carfirmation. only hertz gives you a carfirmation. hey, this is challenger. i'll be waiting for you in stall 5. it confirms your reservation and the location your car is in, the moment you land. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. exciting and would always come max and pto my rescue. bookstore but as time passed, i started to notice max just wasn't himself. and i knew he'd feel better if he lost a little weight. so i switched to purina cat chow healthy weight formula.
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budget talk is on the menu
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at the white house today. the president just wrapped up a lunch meeting with paul ryan and chris van hollen, the top democrat in the house democrat committee and president obama's dinner date with a dozen gop senators last night at a boutique hotel in washington. so, could a little chat chew and charm lead to a sweet deal? here in the guest spotlight to tell us how all the mealing and dealing is done in washington, john davis from virginia. welcome to the show and mr. draifs, i guess i'll start with this. most of the reporting suggests that the strategy behind the meal with the senators last night, the phone calls that obama's been making to the republican senators lately is sort of to win over, to peel off a critical number of pragmatic republican senators on this idea of a grand bargain to get them lined up behind the half revenue, half entitlement grand bargain idea and then break the house and having more than 60 votes a few months from now to break the intransigence.
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do you think that's a viable strategy for the white house to pursue? >> well, look, i think any time that you're sitting down with the opposition, talking, understanding what they need, what it takes to get a deal is a good thing but i think it takes more than that to break the house. most of the house members worry about primary elections and the way the districts are drawn. they're drawn to be republican, democratic districts. as a result of that, members are looking over the right shoulder on the republican side and under the left shoulder on the democratic side and i don't think any amount of political persuasion of president will change that equation. it may, however, move both sides closer to a deal but i think the revenue increases are going to be a difficult part until you get postsequester. >> congressman, i agree with everything you just said and speak to a couple of theories floetding around that the dysfunction we see in washington now is purposeful. e.j. dion suggests perhaps to
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make it hard for the president to accomplish anything that sort of shrinking the calendar on the affirmative portion of this administration. but also, trying to talk about people dislike congress more, thus speaking to the republican, larger republican theory that congress is at a -- government is the problem, thus leading to the idea that government should be shrunk. what do you think about those theories? >> i think it's little conspire toirl. you have differences from both sides. going to be difficult to just bridge that gap easily. and it's been difficult for democrats to move toward the republican side and vice versa. bringing government down doesn't help the republicans at this point. the president's there for four more years. republicans need to worry about the elections coming up in 2014. the president at least through his spokesman have already said getting the house to be democratic is one of their highest priorities.
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so that republicans in the house have to at least appear to be working with the president to try to be reasonable. to the extent he's reaching out to them and getting no response, it could work to the president's advantage but i would add that the house is so designed in terms of the districts constructed it's very difficult for the democrats to take back the house and i think they have the senate at risk given the lineups we have coming in to the midterms with seven democratic senators up for re-election coming from state that is romney carried, six from states that romney carried substantially. >> i know steve agrees with you on that. how difficult for democrats to take back the house yesterday in 201414 but being a fellow virginian, i have to ask you about virginia politics. there's recent polling in the gubernatorial race. republican side, ken kuchinelli and shows them tied at 38%. but then there's a wild card.
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lieutenant governor also currently republican bill bowling, thinking about jumping in to the race as an independent. once he's in, terry mcauliffe with a slight lead and then the bigger question. we have had several high level business leaders in virginia coming out saying they're uncomfortable with ken cuccenelli and broader concerns his policies moves virginia out of the extreme or not electable in virginia. are you concerned about that? >> let me put it this way. gubernatorial races in virginia are 80% national and 20% state. the last election follows the presidential election by a year. the party opposite of the president has won that. if that trend were to continue, that favors the attorney general. you have some state factors going in to this race but the practical matter is, where the
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president stands on election day will have a huge bearing on this. >> but speaking -- >> let me just add if the lieutenant governor were to run as an independent it makes mcauliffe's path easier. he can run as a straight democrat and i think garner pluralty of the vote. >> the concerns, for example, the business leaders spoke to more to the fact that his policies would make virginia seem like a less business friendly state, a less diverse, a less open state. is that a concern that you share? >> look. i think that the attorney general will end up being a good candidate. hopefully a strong ticket behind him. neither one of the candidates is defined at this point and there's a long way to go to see what their platforms are going to be. the attorney general won a big victory just the other day, suing the epa and he had the democratic beard in fairfax county behind him so this race has a long way to play out to see what the platforms are going
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to be, being governor is different than being attorney general and i think this is all an unwritten chapter at this point. >> have you decided to endorse the attorney general in this case? >> we did a fund-raiser for him months ago. >> you know, we have a minute here to shift gears back to the situation on capitol hill for a second and get your take on this. it's fascinating to me looking at the dynamic in the house this year with three times the so-called hastert rule violated by john boehner with legislation on the floor and passed with majority democratic support. what do you make of that? what do you make when you see something like that happening? >> it's part of governance sometimes. you have to 3450u6 the work product through. you have to go the other way but i'll tell you, you don't stay as party leader very long relying on the other party to carry things so i think these were anomalies. the republican conference has to work to put a work product together instead of being
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divided and still a work in progress. >> ominous words maybe there for the speaker. tom davis, thank you for joining us. let's cycle back to where this conversation began. food. put this question to our facebook friends. do you think free meals lead to a budget agreement? peter answered, why not? republicans in the house and senate getting free meals from the american people every day. ouch. chris payton piles on. perhaps they say the quickest way to a republican's vacant place where the heart should be is through his stomach. >> wow. >> republicans, start using the facebook page and even it out a little bit. get in on the conversation. up next, we switch it up. the trial capturing the attention of the entire nation, even us. new york firefighters scott edwards and tim keenan saw their dreams crushed when hurricane sandy destroyed their store
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jodi arias at the heart of the latest murder trial to dominate the internet and cable tv. on trial in phoenix, arizona,
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for more than two weeks on the stand, if that's believable, 32-year-old accused of killing her lover, 30-year-old travis alexander. way back in june of 2008. after changing her hair and first jodi told police she wasn't there and pictures on the dead man's camera showed she was and while awaiting trial she changed the story to a home invasion and then to self defense. the trial now on a lunch break, also features 150 jury questions to witnesses. which i did not realize was permissible. i learn something new every day, i guess. to borrow the title of a competitor instant specials of last week and arias trial is sex, lies and audio tape. nicely done. katy tur is covering the trial. what's the latest? >> reporter: not many people knew that the jury could ask questions. part of the reason why the story is all-consuming, 32-year-old arias on the stand for 17 days
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now. and in that time, she's broke down a couple of times as she's been cross-examined by the prosecution but for the most part, pretty calm and composed explaining the version of events as to what happened the night she killed travis alexander. why she says it was self defense, especially during the last two days taking questions directly from the jury. arizona is one of only a few states you can do that. jurors submit written questions to the judge, the judge then asks the defendant the questions and these questions wide ranging, from her mormonism to the loss of memory she sustained in the night she killed travis alexander. why she remembers some parts and doesn't remember over parts 0 of that night. to bruises she said alexander abused her and yet she never took photos of the bruises but she took photos of almost everything else in her life. not to mention the fact she's changed the story three times. >> after all the lies you have told, why should we believe you
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now? >> lying isn't typically something i just do. i'm not going to say i've never told a lie in my life before this incident, but the lies that i have told in this case are -- can be tied directly back to either protecting travis's reputation or myv. in his death. in any way. because i was very ashamed of the death. >> reporter: now, the story's been all consuming because it's so odd. most people didn't know that the jury could ask questions. she faced over 150 questions and some of them have been very graphic and very detailed asking her specific questions about her personal life, about her sex life and during the entire time she was remained composed and calm and matter of fact, answered each one specifically and never seemed like she was on trial and she knows that she is on trial for her life right now, not to mention her appearance n. photos and in friend's
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descriptions, a sexy blond woman who travis alexander couldn't keep his hands off of but yet you see a mouse sy brown haired girl wearing glasses and no makeup. she looks vastly different than before. you can't figure out who this woman is and not the mention the fact she's changed the story so many times and didn't deny she killed alexander. she shot him in the face and stabbed him repeatedly and slit the throat from ear to ear. she says it was out of self defense. the prosecution denies this. they say that she was jealous the ex was dating other women. if she's convicted, she could face the death penalty. guys? >> all right. thank you, katy. so we're here with jamie floyd, defense attorney. you know, i'm really fascinated by this trial and i'm really fascinated by the idea that she did many different things to this body. right? we don't know the order -- >> to a living man first. >> yes. >> allegedly.
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>> she shot him and stabbed him and cut his throat which perhaps is another form of stabbing but what have you. there's a grab for two -- one different implement. starts with one. goes to another. when you have done so many different things to a body, can you really claim self defense at that point? >> you can and that's successfully defended in other cases. there have been women who have multiple stab wound defenses in other cases when they have been abused over a course of years. >> and the second implement? >> and a second implement. the famous burning bed case we know about from those years ago but in this cases they have been abused over a course of years, there have been witnesses to that abuse. there's a long history of abuse and there can be -- there's testimony about that abuse. this is not that case. there is also not multiple versions of what happened before you get to the scenario you just outlined. first i have this story.
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then i have this story. and now i'm going to fall back on self defense. with a lot of different injuries imposed on the victim. so, this is not the strongest self defense case i have ever seen by a long shot. >> jami, another aspect of this katy mentioned is that jodi arias on the stand for 17 days. >> unbelievable. >> has that been a good thing for her or sort of devastating to her case? >> getting on the witness stand is generally a bad thing in any case. you think i'm not guilty. i want to try to convince the jury i'm not guilty. i'll take the witness stand but we most often advise our clients don't talk. if you talk, it goes badly for you. the one time you want your client to talk is in a self defense case. why? you have to convince the jury that you were afraid. however, the longer you're up there, the more damage you're going to do to the case. 17 days? i can't think of any witness being on the witness stand for 17 days. and i've been doing this a long time.
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the defendant, 17 days? and unsophisticated, nonlawyer on the stand for 17 days, bad news for the defense. >> what about this -- we were just hearing about the jury asking questions, the town hall portion of the trial, i guess. >> oh my -- >> you are getting the read in the middle of the trial about where the jury could be coming from and maybe questions otherwise not -- is this a good thing? >> no. no. >> bad thing? sorry. okay. >> generally more states -- i don't really like it as a lawyer because we lawyers are what? control freaks. >> but the system, take a step back for a second. is it a good thing for the system? no. you are paid to be a -- okay. >> here's the problem with it. there's a lack of control for the judge. the judge cannot step in and 150 questions. i mean, look at the delay to the process if every courtroom in the country and we're overburdened now and this interposition by the jury.
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jurors in every courtroom in the country ask questions through the judge of the lawyers. and sometimes to the judge directly. so that's fine. but i find this to be very troubling, especially given the number of questions that have been put to this defendant. 150. that's just a volume of questions i have never seen. i'm aware of this rule. i have seen it before. >> but not this many. >> not this many. >> all right. jami floyd, thank you very much. check out the dateline special about this friday 11:00 p.m. up next, is the christian right the key to unlocking republican votes for immigration reform? happy birthday to my 4-year-old. happy birthday. morning, brian!
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christian conservatives who in the past stayed out of the fray or completely opposed reform privately urging lawmakers to make it work and advocating for change even from the pulpit. our next guest is a high profile leader in the christian community and says it comes to family values. i think krystal wants to lead the way so take it off, miss ball. >> i want you to weigh in on where you are in this debate. we have a couple of proposals. is it path to citizenship? is it path to legalization? and also, does your position on immigration reform, does that represent a change of heart or is this a position you have always held and are just sort of coming out more strongly in support of now? >> it's not a position that's been a recent change for me. i'm working with a number of leaders, both on the plitd call and other church and pastors and organizational leaders for five
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years on this issue. more and more people starting to come on board and i'm pleased to see that. i believe a pathway to citizenship is important. i think it's very important when you look at 12 million stories of individuals who are here for one reason or another. some of them have been born as young individuals in countries and they have been here for all of their lives. they consider themselves americans. they love america. they don't know their mother country. they don't maybe speak the language. for us to say that you can come out of the shadows but you don't have an opportunity to become a citizen really is the wrong message and i think it's against and contrary to our values. it's against our history as a country. that has had open arms for the immigrants. all of us at one time or another have essentially an immigrant background and i think what we're seeing is a good crescendo of movement and we have a lot further to go, however. not everyone is convinced an enwhat we're doing is continuing to work with pastors, church leaders, organizational leaders with constituencies around the
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country and with members of congress and very pleased with the progress that we're beginning to see. >> yeah. i want to get in to the politics of this for the conservative movement and for the republican party. you wrote, just after the november election, you tried to explain it by saying that millions of americans looked evil in the eye and adopted it and that abortion same-sex marriage and immorality carried the day. i just wonder in your explanation of the election is there room for the republicans just messed up on immigration? >> well, i think certainly republicans have a number of good issues on the issue of life and marriage an i strongly believe that those are family values. but i believe and there's a number of them that have gotten it right and advocated over the years on this issue but some of them have gotten it wrong and i think that's an issue to address that with. i think some people have had a sea change after the november 2012 election. that didn't cause me to have a change of position. it just simply confirmed what i
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already believe is true. both from a biblical standpoint and practical standpoint and a moral and family position, as well. i think what we have to do with some republican leaders and frankly both people on both sides of the aisle have used this as a political ping-pong. democrats and republicans alike used it that way and i want to be able to try to transcend this political morass. this is in the best interest of us as citizens and americans and with regards to the republicans, one of the things that i think if you go back and to 2004, george w. bush was a strong advocate for immigration reform. before that, ronald reagan was a strong advocate for immigration reform. what we have seen, however, is some people maybe they may talking heads on political areas or -- >> we can't stand those kind of people. >> a wrong message. and, well, you know, some people have just used the immigration word as a political wedge and i
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think it's wrong. some people have used the so-called "a" word amnesty and labeled anything that doesn't have complete deportation which is frankly impossible if you do the numbers as amnesty and shuts down rational debate so what we're trying to do is deal with rational discussion, how do we deal with this from a rational, moral and a practical standpoint? and i think the best way forward is to give opportunity to those illegal or undocumented immigrants living in the shadows to come out and participate in the american dream. i think that has to include a pathway for citizenship. >> absolutely. >> not special treatment but a pathway for citizenship. >> i appreciate what you're saying. i know what you mean with you say all of us are immigrants but we don't have an immigrant background. that's a conversation for another day. i think what's been said by the right, not people like yourself, but others, has been so attacking and so demonizing of
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hispanic americans, immigrants and nonimmigrants, all of them that perhaps they're so far gone and so hurt and so insulted that they cannot be won over. they can't find the forgiveness you perhaps teach. do you think that that might be too far gone? >> i don't think it's too far gone but i think there's going to be a lot of work. if you go back to the republican and democratic primaries and look back at say the second debate of the second town hall with mitt romney and president obama, remember the lady, the latino lady on the front row? she stood up and asked the question of mitt romney, what's your plan to deal with the 12 million unyou can domented? his response was, we're in favor of legal immigration. that's a no-brainer and then went back to president obama. i looked at my wife and i said, he just lost the hispanic vote. he showed he didn't care about this issue or wasn't informed so i think there's a lot of work to be done. i don't think it's too late to ultimately repair some of those problems that have developed in the past and it's a pathway that
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we need to move forward and embrace the future. this is the right path to move forward with this immigration issue. >> okay. matthew staver, thank you for joining us. straight ahead, one of the most successful business woman of all time is on a mission to reboot feminism encouraging women to just lean in. so why's our resident feminist not impressed? stay tuned and you'll find out. hey, our salads. [ bop ] [ bop ] [ bop ] you can do that all you want, i don't like v8 juice. [ male announcer ] how about v8 v-fusion. a full serving of vegetables, a full serving of fruit. but what you taste is the fruit. so even you... could've had a v8. got you ! you cannot escape the rebel forces ! ahhh. got you ! got ya !
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facebook coo is one of the most high profile women ever to emerge from silicone valley and now coming out with a first book of "lean in" described as part memoir and part feminist manifest to but the thesis of women and why more of us aren't getting ahead in the workplace is sparking controversy. "time" magazine had an exclusive interview with sandberg. joining us now is the woman that got that interview, "time" editor at large. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. pleasure to be here. >> sandberg correctly points out that women have a long way to go, especially at the top levels. corporate executives, 14%. congress 17% are women. but i want to read you a quote from her book and then we can talk a little bit about it. she says, often without even
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realizing it, women stop reaching for new opportunities by the time a baby actually arrives, a woman is likely to be in a drastically different place than she would have been had she not leaned back. and that idea of women sort of in their own enemies leaning back at their careers and standing in the way of their own success has a lot of women sort of up in arms and i think that resentment comes from a place of feeling like we're stretched thin and trying to meet the expectations of being a mom and a good employee that we have so many things piled on us already, we don't need someone tells us we're still not doing enough and we need to do more. >> i think those are indeed the things that people are saying but i think she explains pretty well in her book that -- that if you are as a woman thinking about having a child, even before you've had one and think i'm going to take a slightly -- i won't go for that promotion or try to get the job or take the
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foot off the career gas a bit and then before you've had the child, then when you go to have the child, you're not in such a good place to go with the career an you have to take time off with the child but when you get back, your job is not as good or exciting. you don't have as much power. she can take -- take her. they can take all the time they want off and really do work, whatever way they want because they're in power so she is suggesting that you move forward and be more aggressive. >> so get the power? >> get the power. >> then have the baby. >> often you can't necessarily time it but don't just because you think you have to make room for a baby, don't put, you know, don't take it away from your career just then. eventually, of course, you have to split it up. i mean, she has a million kind of things she said about that. a big thing is you have to get the guys on board and feminists saying this for a while. gloria sty them chimes in on this. men have been pretty good about letting women come and work and
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sharing the jobs and the promotions. get back in to the home promoti. get back into the home and it's still nowhere near 50/50 on child care or on sort of domestic and all the guys i know better than my dad or my dad's gin ration but i think -- >> still have some work to do. >> also women, i want to do all the kid stuff. women don't hand that over. toure is looking at me. he wants to say something. >> it just seems she's creating this social moft bvement, but i really a marketing strategy, look at me. listen to me. >> she gets a lot of flack for the social movement idea. i think she wants to say to women, we do need institutional change, we do need legislation change but, you know, the sisters are doing it to themselves in some way. you have to step up. you need to overcome -- >> it's so dangerous in a world of male supremacists had that
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it's actually your fault, the sexism you're dealing with is on you. >> i don't think she's saying fault. i think she's saying there are things like women who say i had a really great year, i think i deserve a promotion. they are much more disliked and considered aggressive than guys who say the same thing. there are studies who show that. women have -- there's a classic thing called imposter syndrome where women never think they deserve the success as much as men do. men are naturally more i'm going to go get this. more of a hunter/gatherer kind of thing. i'm going to get this thing. women are more bring it to me. she says she wants you to go get it. is it a social movement or a marketing? yes and yes. i think it's both. i think she does have a marketing strategy for her book but i also do think she genuinely is somebody who loves change, she loves to organize things. she's somebody who her whole job has been organizing people and i think she wants to sort of shepherd women into a more
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powerful position. >> she has her target audience, this mission she's laid out. what has the response been? krystal mentioned there's a little blowback here. what's the response been from professional women from women in the workplace so far? >> well, it's been incredibly divided. there are people who when they have read the book have said this is stuff actually that's really good, but the whole idea that women need to do more, we're like what? you know, really? >> i don't think i can. >> do you see how much i do? i think that idea has a lot of resistance resistance, but when people understand the slightly more nuanced argument in her book i think it's significant that gloria steinem our most prominent feminist is very much in her camp. that there are -- and she has a lot of women who are agreeing with what she said. it's really i think a book a little bit more for younger women because i think people like ann marie slaughter or those people who have raised --
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when you have teenagers and you have to be the one at home because the child caregiver can't really force the son to do homework or check that he's, you know, not smoking, i think those -- that's another issue that she does not raise. >> right. >> for mothers of younger children, i think it's an interesting and useful book. >> whatever you think of it, certainly we welcome having those voices and those ideas in the conversation. thank you so much. up next, the silver lining to the sequester. yes, i think it may actually be a good thing. [ male announcer ] marie callender's puts all the things we love about sunday meals into each of her pot pies. like tender white meat chicken and vegetables in a golden flaky crust that's made from scratch. marie callender's pot pies. it's time to savor.
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this is the view from rockefeller center ahead of the
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dreaded snowquester. it turns out the snowquester like the namesake was a bust, right? not so fast. we knock mocked the sequester. the dumb policy with the even dumber name. they couldn't come up with an awesome name? we mocked the politicians who were involved in coming up with the sequester. did they actually think that after failing to find a long-term compromise in the debt ceiling 2011 showdown, the super committee that came out of that debt ceiling fiasco, the fiscal cliff, and debt controlling show down part deux, that the sequester would actually force a deal? in the words of amy poehler and tina fey, really, really? just when we had written off the sequester as a new absurd low, it looks like the see dwes ter may be alive and kicking and dare i kay it working

The Cycle
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